No Go Zones

(fm the BC thread "Shaken and Stirred")

Marie Claude,
The fact is that in designated locations in France the normal judicial and law enforcement agents of the State did not operate. If you want to challenge the statement by Subotai Bahadur then something with more substance than a blanket denial is needed. Any person who goes into those places has effectively placed themselves beyond the protection of the Republic and entered a foreign country. An American learns of that and naturally, based on our history, considers that those places are in a state of rebellion.

When Lincoln used the Militia Act of 1795 he declared that in designated areas the power of the Federal Marshals to execute the orders of the courts had been blocked. Most occasions in US history where the power of the national government has been used domestically it has been phrased in such terms. This applies to situations where some of may or may not support the original intent of the order or the methods used. For example in both the cases of the use of federalized National Guard troops to integrate the Little Rock schools, where the local authority used forces under his command to defy the government until those same forces were placed under Federal control, and in the case of the siege of the Branch Davidian compound at Waco, where it would probably have been possible to avoid the confrontation, by a militarized ATF team the stated intent was to see that normal judicial orders and procedures would be enforced.

Saying "it does not mean anything" is not an argument. Neither is a statement that you could find similar situations for our cities. There have been occasions where politicians have frustrated legal proceedings to avoid a confrontation and you will find many here who will not only acknowledge those cases but deplore them and seek to eliminate those accommodations with criminals who threaten the public peace and liberty. In New York City there was the case in 1972 when Charles Rangel had the police removed from a Mosque where an officer was killed. The difference between your position and ours is that we do not defend such conditions. We want to change them. You can do better.

It is one thing for the government to walk down the middle of the street and majestically ignore what is happening. It is quite another for the government to announce that it has withdrawn its right to walk down that street.

This relates to my idea that America needs a "Civil Rebellion" law to deal with cases like widespread illegal immigration within a defined geographical area.

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Here is where I briefly stated my "Civil Rebellion" concept. Some may find it worth getting a debate started. The idea came to me almost 20 years ago when the Washington Heights neighborhood in New York exploded in violence when the police tried to control the drug trafficking and illegal parking, that blocked fire trucks, by illegal aliens from the Dominican Republic.