tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19925757.post956545952618403603..comments2023-08-19T05:04:44.652-04:00Comments on LifeoftheMind: Comments on The Belmont Club "Run away, run, run, run away"LifeoftheMindhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08332328377169650229noreply@blogger.comBlogger3125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19925757.post-47749859213552020812011-03-07T12:26:02.904-05:002011-03-07T12:26:02.904-05:00After I left my comment at BC where I paraphrased ...After I left my comment at BC where I paraphrased the Bard as best I could from memory to help drive home my point, I checked to see if you had commented here. You hadn't yet, but you did have this scene from the movie. <br><br>It refreshed my memory; thank you. I wasn't far off.<br><br>But here's something I learned I thought I'd share with you. Rhetoric is interesting although I had never really given it much thought. That is despite my having always liked <i>Julius Cæsar</i> and it providing perhaps many of English's best examples of the use of rhetoric. <br><br>After today, I realize I may be finally catching on to it. Contrast the order of Mark Antony's words with mine.<br><br><i>The evil men do lives after them, the good they do is oft interred with their bones.</i><br><br>and<br><br><i>The good men do often dies with them whilst the effects of their nefarious deeds live long after.</i><br><br>Despite his denial to such a purpose, when Antony wished to praise Cæsar, the last thing he mentions is the good.<br><br>Where one wishes to declaim the doer of mixed deeds, one should mention the bad last.<br><br>The listener is more apt to remember the last thing.<br><br>Maybe I did it in that order because it made sense to me, and the order is only a 50-50 chance of being proper for the occasion. Or maybe an old dog can learn new tricks.Pascal Fervorhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00303025432356543062noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19925757.post-14495845126881958632009-09-10T22:54:31.665-04:002009-09-10T22:54:31.665-04:00Thank you for joining the conversation. You are co...Thank you for joining the conversation. You are correct that Rhetoric is a worthy subject and we would be better off if it was studied formally as befits one of the ancient <i>trivium</i>. <br /><br />It may interest you to reflect that Winston Churchill was not considered a bright enough boy while at Harrow School for the Classics course that prepped for the Oxbridge major referred to as Greats. Instead he was directed into becoming an English major which proved to be of lasting benefit to both himself and all of us. <br /><br />Unfortunately I must struggle along with a less rigorously trained mind.LifeoftheMindhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08332328377169650229noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19925757.post-54577164151084127002009-09-10T17:56:35.988-04:002009-09-10T17:56:35.988-04:00After I left my comment at BC where I paraphrased ...After I left my comment at BC where I paraphrased the Bard as best I could from memory to help drive home my point, I checked to see if you had commented here. You hadn't yet, but you did have this scene from the movie. <br /><br />It refreshed my memory; thank you. I wasn't far off.<br /><br />But here's something I learned I thought I'd share with you. Rhetoric is interesting although I had never really given it much thought. That is despite my having always liked <i>Julius Cæsar</i> and it providing perhaps many of English's best examples of the use of rhetoric. <br /><br />After today, I realize I may be finally catching on to it. Contrast the order of Mark Antony's words with mine.<br /><br /><i>The evil men do lives after them, the good they do is oft interred with their bones.</i><br /><br />and<br /><br /><i>The good men do often dies with them whilst the effects of their nefarious deeds live long after.</i><br /><br />Despite his denial to such a purpose, when Antony wished to praise Cæsar, the last thing he mentions is the good.<br /><br />Where one wishes to declaim the doer of mixed deeds, one should mention the bad last.<br /><br />The listener is more apt to remember the last thing.<br /><br />Maybe I did it in that order because it made sense to me, and the order is only a 50-50 chance of being proper for the occasion. Or maybe an old dog can learn new tricks.Pascalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00303025432356543062noreply@blogger.com